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					<description><![CDATA[Robert Brunner, the Chief Designer of Beats by Dre and Founder of Ammunition, joins the Wild Business Growth Podcast to share his journey from falling in love with industrial design to shaping design for Apple, Pentagram, Beats by Dre, and beyond.]]></description>
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<p>How did Beats by Dre and Apple become the design behemoths they are today? That&#8217;s the story of this week&#8217;s <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth&nbsp;Podcast</em></a> guest, Robert Brunner. Robert is the Chief Designer of Beats by Dre and Founder of Ammunition. Listen to the episode on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wild-business-growth-podcast/id1422144338?mt=2" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6mSUsqYobBljhKIuK9sKJV" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPJ7ovuCpHVg7SJchnF2BZg" target="_blank">YouTube</a>,&nbsp;and your other favorite <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">podcast platforms</a>.</p>



<ul><li><a href="#episode-summary">Episode Summary &amp; Player</a></li><li><a href="#full-transcript">Full Transcript</a></li><li><a href="#show-notes">Show Notes</a></li><li><a href="#podcast-summary"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> Summary</a></li></ul>



<h2 id="episode-summary">Episode 255: Robert Brunner – Beats by Dre Designer, Founder of Ammunition</h2>



<p>Robert Brunner, the Chief Designer of Beats by Dre and Founder of Ammunition, joins the show to share his journey from falling in love with industrial design to shaping design for Apple, Pentagram, Beats by Dre, and beyond. Hear his design principles, how Apple became what it is today, behind-the-scenes stories from Beats by Dre, his most memorable design projects, and what Dr. Dre goes by in the office. This episode covers everything from Jimmy Iovine to the Apple Lisa. Here&#8217;s a small sample of what you will hear in this episode:</p>



<ul><li>Did Robert always know he wanted to design for massive brands</li><li>What was the scene in his house like growing up</li><li>How did he start working for Apple</li><li>Could he tell Apple would become what it is today</li><li>How did he start working on Beats by Dre</li><li>Why did he go back to entrepreneurship with Ammunition</li><li>Does Beats by Dre really test new headphones with &#8220;In Da Club&#8221; by 50 Cent</li><li>Pharrell</li></ul>



<p>Connect with Robert at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://ammunitiongroup.com/" target="_blank">AmmunitionGroup.com</a>, on Instagram <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/robertdbrunner/" target="_blank">@RobertDBrunner</a> and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/ammunitiongroup/" target="_blank">@AmmunitionGroup</a>, and on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbrunner" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>.</p>



<h2 id="full-transcript"></h2>



<p>Enjoy the shoooooow! Check out the show notes below for much more detail. You can also find the full transcript <a href="https://maxpodcasting.com/robert-brunner-transcript/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>.</p>



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<h2 id="show-notes"><strong>Show Notes</strong></h2>



<ul><li><strong>Intro &amp; Industrial Design</strong><ul><li>[0:27] Email me at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="mailto:ma&#120;&#64;&#104;&#105;p&#112;odi&#114;&#101;ct&#46;com" target="_blank">ma&#120;&#64;&#109;&#97;&#120;po&#100;c&#97;s&#116;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#46;com</a> to save time with your high-quality podcast and use it as a business-building tool</li><li>[0:36] Connect with Robert at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://ammunitiongroup.com/" target="_blank">AmmunitionGroup.com</a>, on Instagram <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/robertdbrunner/" target="_blank">@RobertDBrunner</a> and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/ammunitiongroup/" target="_blank">@AmmunitionGroup</a>, and on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbrunner" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li></ul><ul><li>[1:39] Oh boy</li><li>[2:08] Did Robert always know he wanted to design for massive brands</li><li>[2:43] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.ibm.com/us-en" target="_blank">IBM</a> (International Business Machines)</li><li>[3:33] What was the scene in Robert&#8217;s house like growing up</li><li>[3:48] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_IBM_magnetic_disk_drives" target="_blank">14&#8243; Winchester Disk Drives</a></li><li>[4:59] What lessons did Robert&#8217;s parents teach him</li><li>[5:27] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/home.htm" target="_blank">Engineering</a></li><li>[5:50] <a href="https://www.sjsu.edu/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">San José State University</a> (SJSU)</li><li>[5:54] <a href="https://www.sjsu.edu/cee/programs/bs-civil-engineering/index.php" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Civil Engineering</a>, <a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/Trans-Alaska-Pipeline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Alaska Pipeline</a>, <a href="https://www.sjsu.edu/ee/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Electrical Engineering</a></li><li>[6:27] <a href="https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/topics/graphic-design" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Graphic Design</a></li></ul></li></ul>



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<ul><li><strong>Industrial Design at Apple</strong><ul><li>[7:55] What is <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.idsa.org/what-id/#:~:text=Industrial%20Design%20is%20a%20strategic,what%20is%20and%20what's%20possible." target="_blank">industrial design</a></li><li>[9:13] What are Robert&#8217;s <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://99designs.com/blog/tips/principles-of-design/" target="_blank">design principles</a></li><li>[9:40] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/science/physics-science#:~:text=Physics%20is%20the%20basic%20physical,the%20fundamental%20laws%20of%20nature." target="_blank">Physics</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/science/calculus-mathematics#:~:text=calculus%2C%20branch%20of%20mathematics%20concerned,some%20whole%20(integral%20calculus)." target="_blank">Calculus</a></li><li>[11:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.tate.org.uk/art/art-terms/m/modernism#:~:text=Modernism%20refers%20to%20a%20global,values%20of%20modern%20industrial%20life." target="_blank">Modernism</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/postmodernism-philosophy#:~:text=What%20is%20postmodernism%3F,Western%20philosophy%3A%20Modern%20philosophy" target="_blank">Postmodernism</a></li><li>[11:16] <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.starwars.com/" target="_blank">Star Wars</a></em>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://atari.com/" target="_blank">Atari</a></li><li>[11:57] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.tate.org.uk/art/art-terms/e/expressionism" target="_blank">Expressionism</a></li><li>[12:05] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.bebitalia.com/en-us/mario-bellini" target="_blank">Mario Bellini</a></li><li>[12:12] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.designindex.org/index/design/mario-bellini.html" target="_blank">Olivetti</a></li><li>[13:51] How did Robert start working for <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.apple.com/" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li>[14:04] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.furbershaworks.com/" target="_blank">Gerard Furbershaw</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-smith-9116661" target="_blank">Jeff Smith</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/mckinsey-design/how-we-help-clients" target="_blank">LUNAR</a></li><li>[14:37] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.apple.com/stevejobs/" target="_blank">Steve Jobs</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartmut_Esslinger" target="_blank">Hartmut Esslinger</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.frog.co/" target="_blank">frog</a></li><li>[15:11] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/billdresselhaus" target="_blank">Bill Dresselhaus</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lisa" target="_blank">Lisa</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.apple.com/mac/" target="_blank">Mac</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunkworks_project#:~:text=A%20skunkworks%20project%20is%20a,the%20sake%20of%20radical%20innovation." target="_blank">Skunkworks</a></li><li>[18:24] <em>The Man Who Rejected Apple*</em> by Robert Brunner</li><li>[18:54] What&#8217;s Robert&#8217;s favorite memory from working at Apple</li><li>[19:28] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.hermanmiller.com/products/workspaces/workstations/action-office-system/design-story/" target="_blank">Herman Miller Action Office</a></li><li>[19:57] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook" target="_blank">PowerBook</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/" target="_blank">MacBook</a></li><li>[22:40] <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.amazon.com/Do-You-Matter-Design-Company-ebook/dp/B004QQ3NHQ?ref_=ast_author_mpb" target="_blank">Do You Matter? How Great Design Will Make People Love Your Company</a></em> by Robert Brunner and Stewart Emery with Russ Hall</li></ul><ul><li>[22:52] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://techcrunch.com/" target="_blank">Technology</a> (Tech)</li><li>[23:00] Could Robert tell Apple would become what it is today</li><li>[23:24] Bazinga!</li><li>[24:42] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/windows/overview.html" target="_blank">Windows-Intel</a></li><li>[25:34] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.hp.com/us-en/home.html" target="_blank">Hewlett-Packard</a> (HP), <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Microsystems" target="_blank">Sun Microsystems</a></li><li>[25:53] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive" target="_blank">Jony Ive</a></li></ul><ul><li>[26:10] Such an honor speaking at Podcast Movement &#8217;23 in Denver! Sign up to grab the slides from my session at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/PM23/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/PM23</a></li></ul><ul><li>[26:12] Sign up for the <em>Podcasting to the Max</em> newsletter at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/newsletter/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/Newsletter</a> and receive <em>How to Edit Your Podcast in Audacity</em></li></ul></li><li><strong>Industrial Design at Pentagram &amp; Beats by Dre</strong><ul><li>[27:08] Paula Scher – <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/paula-scher/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> #110</a>: Legendary Graphic Designer, Principal at Pentagram</li><li>[27:29] What brought Robert to <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.pentagram.com/" target="_blank">Pentagram</a></li><li>[28:26] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.sfmoma.org/" target="_blank">San Francisco Museum of Modern Art</a> (SFMOMA), <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="http://www.studio-hinrichs.com/" target="_blank">Kit Hinrichs</a></li><li>[29:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.anglepoise.com/eu/designers/sir-kenneth-grange/" target="_blank">Kenneth Grange</a></li><li>[29:28] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.pentagram.com/news/in-memory-of-colin-forbes-1928-2022" target="_blank">Colin Forbes</a></li><li>[30:53] Any day!</li><li>[31:28] How did Robert start working on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.beatsbydre.com/" target="_blank">Beats by Dre</a></li><li>[32:02] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/jimmy-iovine" target="_blank">Jimmy Iovine</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.drdre.com/" target="_blank">Dr. Dre</a></li><li>[33:37] Bose</li><li>[35:22] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.beatsbydre.com/headphones/studio-pro-wireless" target="_blank">Beats by Dre Studio</a></li><li>[35:38] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley" target="_blank">Silicon Valley</a></li><li>[36:01] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.ladygaga.com/" target="_blank">Lady Gaga</a></li><li>[38:07] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan" target="_blank">Michael Jordan</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant" target="_blank">Kobe Bryant</a></li><li>[38:29] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://youtu.be/a4Cyg1qATfg?si=mcQqTAOZVR-4RXIH" target="_blank">Jimmy Iovine Interviews</a></li><li>[38:55] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://brucespringsteen.net/" target="_blank">Bruce Springsteen</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lennon" target="_blank">John Lennon</a></li></ul></li></ul>



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<ul><li><strong>The Ammunition Story</strong><ul><li>[39:48] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://ammunitiongroup.com/" target="_blank">AmmunitionGroup.com</a></li><li>[39:54] Why did Robert go back to entrepreneurship with Ammunition</li><li>[40:24] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.pentagram.com/news/thank-you-daniel-weil" target="_blank">Daniel Weil</a></li><li>[42:52] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://ammunitiongroup.com/projects_pt/fuego/" target="_blank">Fuego</a></li><li>[44:59] What other projects are memorable at Ammunition</li><li>[45:14] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://ammunitiongroup.com/projects_pt/square/" target="_blank">Square</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Dorsey" target="_blank">Jack Dorsey</a></li><li>[45:31] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://usa.visa.com/" target="_blank">VISA</a></li><li>[46:01] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://ammunitiongroup.com/projects_pt/square/" target="_blank">Square Stand</a></li><li>[46:07] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.retaildive.com/" target="_blank">Retail</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.sba.gov/" target="_blank">Small Business</a></li></ul></li><li><strong>Rapid-Fire Q&amp;A: Music Edition</strong><ul><li>[46:44] &#8220;<a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiAgeZUcZ58" target="_blank">I Don&#8217;t Have a Square to Spare!</a>&#8220;</li><li>[46:51] What does Dr. Dre go by in the office</li><li>[47:42] Does Beats by Dre really test new headphones with &#8220;<a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qm8PH4xAss" target="_blank">In Da Club</a>&#8221; by 50 Cent</li><li>[48:15] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent" target="_blank">Curtis Jackson</a></li><li>[48:18] Shoutout, Alex!</li><li>[48:31] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.universalmusic.com/" target="_blank">Universal Music Group</a> (UMG)</li><li>[49:02] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharrell_Williams" target="_blank">Pharrell Williams</a>, <a href="https://will.i.am/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">will.i.am</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Stone" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Oliver Stone</a></li><li>[49:55] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bono" target="_blank">Bono</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.u2.com/" target="_blank">U2</a></li><li>[51:02] Connect with Robert at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://ammunitiongroup.com/" target="_blank">AmmunitionGroup.com</a>, on Instagram <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/robertdbrunner/" target="_blank">@RobertDBrunner</a> and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/ammunitiongroup/" target="_blank">@AmmunitionGroup</a>, and on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbrunner" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>[51:51] What are Robert&#8217;s Final Thoughts</li></ul><ul><li>[52:27]&nbsp;Follow the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em></a> and tell a friend about the podcast. And show love (or roast me) by leaving 5 stars on Apple Podcasts and/or Spotify</li><li>[52:42] Check out the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast&nbsp;</em>on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.goodpods.com/" target="_blank">Goodpods</a>, where you can see what your favorite people are listening to</li><li>[52:44]&nbsp;Connect with me on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/maxbranstetter/" target="_blank">Instagram</a>,&nbsp;<a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://twitter.com/maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Twitter</a> (aka <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://twitter.com/maxbranstetter" target="_blank">X</a>), and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-branstetter-74150a57/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a> @MaxBranstetter</li><li>[52:47] Save time with your high-quality podcast. Email me at <a href="mailto:&#109;a&#120;&#64;m&#97;&#120;&#112;&#111;d&#99;&#97;s&#116;&#105;n&#103;&#46;c&#111;&#109;">m&#97;&#120;&#64;m&#97;xpo&#100;c&#97;st&#105;&#110;&#103;&#46;c&#111;m</a> to bring your podcast to life and use it as a business-building tool</li><li>[52:52] Sign up for the&nbsp;<em>Podcasting to the Max</em>&nbsp;newsletter at&nbsp;<a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/newsletter/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/Newsletter</a>&nbsp;and receive <em>How to Edit Your Podcast in Audacity</em></li><li>Theme music: Freestyle Percussion Magik &#8211; &#8220;Jungle Tribe&#8221; &#8211; provided by Jamendo</li></ul></li></ul>



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<h2 id="podcast-summary"><strong>What is the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em>?</strong></h2>



<p>Wild ideas. Wild growth. Every Wednesday morning a new entrepreneur joins the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> to share the wildly creative and unusual ways they grew their business &#8211; and teaches you how to do it, too. Hear the minds behind WordPress, Stacy&#8217;s Pita Chips, Drybar, NFL RedZone, Big Mouth Billy Bass, the voice of Bart Simpson, and more Wild stories. Hosted by <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/about/" target="_blank">Max Branstetter</a> (that&#8217;s me), Founder and Podcast Producer at MaxPodcasting.</p>



<h2><strong>How do you start a podcast?</strong></h2>



<p>Interested in starting a professional-sounding podcast for your brand, but don&#8217;t want to deal with the time commitment of all those behind-the-scenes details? I’ve got you covered. Email me at <a href="mailto:m&#97;x&#64;&#109;ax&#112;&#111;d&#99;&#97;&#115;t&#105;n&#103;.&#99;&#111;m">max&#64;&#109;&#97;xp&#111;&#100;c&#97;&#115;t&#105;n&#103;&#46;co&#109;</a> to save time with your high-quality podcast and use it as a business-building tool.</p>



<p>Thanks for listening to Robert Brunner on the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em>.<em> </em>To hear more Wild stories like this one every Wednesday morning, follow the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em></a> and tell a friend about it. And sketch all sorts of stuff with them while listening to &#8220;In Da Club.&#8221; Until next time, Let your business Run Wild&#8230;and <strong><em>Bring on the Bongos!!</em></strong></p>
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		<title>Dan Harden &#8211; Wild Business Growth Podcast #160: Founder, CEO, and Principal Designer of Whipsaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Branstetter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2021 03:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[Dan Harden]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Design]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Industrial Design]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Whipsaw]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan Harden, the Founder, CEO, and Principal Designer of Whipsaw, joins the Wild Business Growth Podcast to share his journey from endlessly curious kid to starting the acclaimed product design company that's brought over 1,000 products to market for Google, Nike, Uber, and other top companies.]]></description>
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<p class="has-drop-cap">What does it take to design thousands of products for top companies? It all starts with a little curiosity and creativity. This week&#8217;s <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">Wild Business Growth Podcast</a></em> guest, Dan Harden, will fill you in on the rest from there. Dan is the Founder, CEO, and Principal Designer of Whipsaw. Listen to the episode on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wild-business-growth-podcast/id1422144338?mt=2" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6mSUsqYobBljhKIuK9sKJV" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cDovL3dpbGRidXNpbmVzc2dyb3d0aHBvZGNhc3QubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M%3D" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, and your other favorite <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">podcast platforms</a>.</p>



<ul><li><a href="#episode-summary">Episode Summary &amp; Player</a></li><li><a href="#show-notes">Show Notes</a></li><li><a href="#podcast-summary"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> Summary</a></li></ul>



<h2 id="episode-summary"><strong>Episode 160: Dan Harden &#8211; Founder, CEO, and Principal Designer of Whipsaw</strong></h2>



<p>Dan Harden, the Founder, CEO, and Principal Designer of Whipsaw, joins the show to share his journey from endlessly curious kid to starting the acclaimed product design company that&#8217;s brought over 1,000 products to market for Google, Nike, Uber, and other top companies. Hear how to differentiate your company, create balanced tension, find the “It Factor” in products, what Dan learned from working with Steve Jobs, and what excites him about biomimicry. This episode covers everything from industrial design to macro-engineering. Here&#8217;s a small sample of what you will hear in this episode:</p>



<ul><li>When did Dan know he could start a whole design firm</li><li>What is Balanced Tension</li><li>Was Dan a tinkerer as a kid</li><li>What is Whipsaw&#8217;s hook and character that&#8217;s helped it have so much success over the past few decades</li><li>Passing &#8220;The Steve Jobs Test&#8221;</li><li>What is Three-Minute Precognition</li><li>How can companies identify opportunities to create gifts</li><li>What is Dan&#8217;s favorite painting of all time</li></ul>



<p>Connect with Dan at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/" target="_blank">Whipsaw.com</a> and on Instagram at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/whipsawdesign/">@WhipsawDesign</a> and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/danhardendesign/" target="_blank">@DanHardenDesign</a>.</p>



<p>Enjoy the shoooooow! Check out the show notes below for much more detail.</p>



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<h2 id="show-notes"><strong>Show Notes</strong></h2>



<ul><li><strong>Intro &amp; Product Design</strong><ul><li>[0:22] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/p/CTdX9-djZBY/" target="_blank">Love you, Dana!</a></li><li>[1:16] Email me at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="mailto:&#109;&#97;x&#64;&#104;&#105;p&#112;o&#100;&#105;&#114;&#101;c&#116;.com" target="_blank">ma&#120;&#64;m&#97;xpo&#100;&#99;ast&#105;&#110;&#103;&#46;&#99;&#111;m</a> to save time with your high-quality podcast and use it as a business-building tool</li></ul><ul><li>[1:28] Connect with Dan at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/" target="_blank">Whipsaw.com</a> and on Instagram at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/whipsawdesign/">@WhipsawDesign</a> and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/danhardendesign/" target="_blank">@DanHardenDesign</a></li><li>[3:38] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/project/google-trekker/" target="_blank">Google Trekker</a></li><li>[3:56] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/project/tile-personal-object-trackers/" target="_blank">Tile</a></li><li>[4:08] Gerry Hays on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/82-gerry-hays-kelley-entrepreneurial-finance-professor/id1422144338?i=1000466031756" target="_blank">Episode #82</a> of the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em></li><li>[5:30] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/technology/technology" target="_blank">Technology</a> (Tech)</li><li>[7:20] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/project/tonal-strength-training-system/" target="_blank">Tonal</a></li><li>[7:37] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.uxpin.com/studio/blog/what-is-a-prototype-a-guide-to-functional-ux/#:~:text=The%20most%20basic%20definition%20of,money%20into%20the%20final%20product." target="_blank">Prototype</a></li><li>[8:39] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/news/what-does-an-accountant-do/" target="_blank">Accountant</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://hbr.org/2006/07/what-makes-a-good-salesman" target="_blank">Salesman</a></li><li>[9:14] Gold Star for &#8220;Multiplicity&#8221;</li><li>[9:30] What&#8217;s the &#8220;It Factor&#8221; that products have when Dan wants to work on them</li><li>[10:36] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.tonal.com/about/" target="_blank">Aly Orady</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/project/tonal-strength-training-system/" target="_blank">Digital Weights</a></li><li>[11:15] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/news/brita-stream-pitchers-and-gatan-microscopes-win-red-dot-awards/" target="_blank">Brita Stream Water Purifiers</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.clorox.com/" target="_blank">Clorox</a></li><li>[11:49] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/laozi/" target="_blank">Lao Tzu</a></li><li>[14:47] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/" target="_blank">Consultant</a></li><li>[15:07] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.wharton.upenn.edu/" target="_blank">Wharton</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.stanford.edu/" target="_blank">Stanford</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://dcodegroup.com/blog/the-importance-of-data-and-information-in-business#:~:text=Data%20is%20essentially%20the%20plain,such%20is%20crucial%20in%20business." target="_blank">Data</a></li></ul></li><li><strong>The Whipsaw Story &amp; How to Design Innovative Products</strong><ul><li>[16:02] When did Dan know he could start a whole design firm</li><li>[16:12] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.richardsonsmith.com/" target="_blank">Richardson Smith</a>, Shoutout Ohio!</li><li>[16:38] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.themuse.com/advice/what-is-an-internship-definition-advice" target="_blank">Internship</a></li><li>[16:55] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.frogdesign.com/" target="_blank">Frogdesign</a> (Frog)</li><li>[17:49] The <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolodex" target="_blank">Rolodex</a> of the Gods</li><li>[17:54] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.encyclopedia.com/books/politics-and-business-magazines/henry-dreyfuss-associates-llc" target="_blank">Dreyfuss</a> (Henry Dreyfuss Associates)</li><li>[18:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/project/cisco-meraki-security-cameras/" target="_blank">Cisco</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/awards/" target="_blank">Creative Labs</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://tactpd.com/project/general-dynamics-topaz-rugged-laptop/" target="_blank">General Dynamics</a></li><li>[18:50] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://hbr.org/2016/05/learn-to-love-networking" target="_blank">Network</a></li><li>[18:57] How did Dan plan to make Whipsaw stand out from other design firms</li><li>[20:05] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/engineer/" target="_blank">Engineer</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.ama.org/the-definition-of-marketing-what-is-marketing/" target="_blank">Marketing</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/ceo.asp" target="_blank">CEO</a> (Chief Executive Officer)</li><li>[21:39] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://smallbusiness.chron.com/difference-between-customer-vs-client-56387.html" target="_blank">Client</a></li><li>[22:22] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://builtin.com/company-culture#:~:text=Company%20culture%20can%20be%20defined,practices%20that%20characterize%20an%20organization.&amp;text=It's%20the%20way%20people%20feel,doing%20to%20get%20it%20there." target="_blank">Culture</a></li><li>[24:45] Reciprocity!</li><li>[25:17] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/" target="_blank">Industrial Design</a></li><li>[25:25] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://contentmarketinginstitute.com/what-is-content-marketing/" target="_blank">Content</a></li><li>[26:09] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/" target="_blank">Invoke</a></li><li>[26:26] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.daytoncvb.com/" target="_blank">Dayton, OH</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.gotolouisville.com/" target="_blank">Louisville, KY</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.dsm.city/" target="_blank">Des Moines, IA</a></li><li>[27:43] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.nps.gov/daav/index.htm" target="_blank">Wright Brothers</a></li><li>[27:51] What is Balanced Tension</li><li>[30:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.thedrive.com/news/35871/think-your-car-door-sounds-nice-and-solid-when-it-slams-its-faked" target="_blank">Mercedes-Benz Door Sound</a></li><li>[31:28] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/group/laptops" target="_blank">Acer Aspire</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.acer-group.com/ag/en/TW/content/stan-shih" target="_blank">Stan Shih</a></li><li>[36:01] What is Whipsaw&#8217;s hook and character that&#8217;s helped it have so much success over the past few decades</li><li>[36:39] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">Podcast</a></li><li>[37:31] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/" target="_blank">Brand</a></li><li>[37:42] Everything goes back to Ohio</li><li>[38:00] Oh come on, Dan!</li><li>[38:54] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/product_differentiation.asp#:~:text=Product%20differentiation%20is%20a%20marketing,or%20services%20from%20the%20competition.&amp;text=Product%20differentiation%20goes%20hand%20in,a%20target%20market%20or%20audience." target="_blank">Differentiation</a></li><li>[40:18] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/facts.html#:~:text=ADHD%20is%20one%20of%20the,)%2C%20or%20be%20overly%20active." target="_blank">ADHD</a></li><li>[42:02] Was Dan a tinkerer as a kid</li><li>[42:57] Save time with your high-quality podcast. Email me at <a href="mailto:&#109;&#97;&#120;&#64;m&#97;xp&#111;&#100;&#99;as&#116;i&#110;&#103;&#46;com">&#109;&#97;&#120;&#64;&#109;&#97;xpod&#99;a&#115;t&#105;&#110;&#103;&#46;&#99;&#111;&#109;</a> to bring your podcast to life and use it as a business-building tool</li></ul></li></ul>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" width="1024" height="814" src="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-1024x814.jpg" alt="Dan Harden - Wild Business Growth Podcast #160: Founder, CEO, and Principal Designer of Whipsaw" class="wp-image-4773" srcset="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-1024x814.jpg 1024w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-400x318.jpg 400w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-768x611.jpg 768w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-500x397.jpg 500w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-400x318@2x.jpg 800w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-1280x1018.jpg 1280w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-1920x1526.jpg 1920w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-768x611@2x.jpg 1536w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-1024x814@2x.jpg 2048w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-500x397@2x.jpg 1000w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_6741-800x636@2x.jpg 1600w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption>I could talk to Dan for 99 years straight</figcaption></figure></div>



<ul><li><strong>Inspiration &amp; Creativity: People, Hobbies, and Resources</strong><ul><li>[44:29] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.biography.com/business-figure/steve-jobs" target="_blank">Steve Jobs</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.forbes.com/profile/larry-ellison/" target="_blank">Larry Ellison</a></li><li>[44:39] What&#8217;s a story Dan can share about Steve Jobs</li><li>[44:53] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.apple.com/" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li>[45:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT_Computer" target="_blank">NeXT Computer</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.logitech.com/en-us" target="_blank">Logitech</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.att.com/" target="_blank">AT&amp;T</a></li><li>[45:21] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.hpe.com/us/en/home.html" target="_blank">Hewlett-Packard</a> (HP)</li><li>[46:40] The Roast From Steve Jobs</li><li>[48:14] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.frogdesign.com/designmind/frog50" target="_blank">AT&amp;T Answering Machine</a></li><li>[49:20] Passing &#8220;The Steve Jobs Test&#8221;</li><li>[49:39] Is there a lesson Dan learned from Steve Jobs he put directly into his work</li><li>[50:48] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://physicsworld.com/" target="_blank">Physics</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://psychology.osu.edu/about/what-psychology#:~:text=Psychology%20is%20the%20scientific%20study,%2C%20brain%20functions%2C%20and%20behavior." target="_blank">Psychology</a></li><li>[52:12] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.forbes.com/profile/elon-musk/" target="_blank">Elon Musk</a></li><li>[52:55] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.virgin.com/branson-family/richard-branson-blog" target="_blank">Richard Branson</a></li><li>[53:23] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/1903-wright-flyer/nasm_A19610048000" target="_blank">Wright Flyer</a></li><li>[53:40] &#8220;Out of this world&#8221; surreal</li><li>[54:10] What can you do to be and stay creative</li><li>[54:23] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.tate.org.uk/art/art-terms/a/abstract-expressionism#:~:text=Abstract%20expressionism%20is%20the%20term,and%20the%20impression%20of%20spontaneity" target="_blank">Abstract Expressionism</a></li><li>[56:32] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/architecture" target="_blank">Architecture</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro-engineering" target="_blank">Macro-Engineering</a></li><li>[56:50] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://biomimicry.org/" target="_blank">Biomimicry</a></li><li>[57:03] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/project/kore-bio-electric-sensor/" target="_blank">Koniku &#8220;Electronic Nose&#8221;</a></li><li>[57:49] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/science/biology#:~:text=Biology%20is%20a%20branch%20of,biology%2C%20physiology%2C%20and%20zoology." target="_blank">Biology</a></li><li>[57:58] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.newscientist.com/definition/quantum-physics/" target="_blank">Quantum Physics</a></li><li>[58:00] <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.amazon.com/Until-End-Time-Evolving-Universe/dp/1524731676" target="_blank">Until the End of Time</a></em> by Brian Greene</li></ul></li><li><strong>Wild Business Shoutout of the Week</strong><ul><li>[59:03] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://simplicable.com/new/creative-marketing#:~:text=Creative%20marketing%20is%20the%20process,products%20in%20an%20inspiring%20experience." target="_blank">Creative Marketing</a></li><li>[59:12] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.lego.com/en-us" target="_blank">LEGO</a></li><li>[1:00:12] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.legobraillebricks.com/" target="_blank">Braille Bricks</a></li><li>[1:01:21] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/knowledge/finance/what-is-corporation-overview/" target="_blank">Corporations</a></li><li>[1:02:41] How can companies identify opportunities to create gifts</li><li>[1:03:10] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_Works" target="_blank">Skunkworks</a></li><li>[1:03:29] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/randd.asp" target="_blank">R&amp;D</a> (Research &amp; Development), <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/revenue.asp" target="_blank">Revenue</a></li><li>[1:05:43] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/stock-keeping-unit-sku.asp#:~:text=The%20SKU%20is%20composed%20of,auto%20body%20shop%20or%20warranties." target="_blank">SKU Count</a> (Stock Keeping Unit)</li></ul><ul><li>[1:06:18] <a href="https://www.xerox.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Xerox</a></li></ul></li></ul>



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<ul><li><strong>The Unusual: Pet Peeves, Quirks, and Weird Talents</strong><ul><li>[1:06:57] What are Dan&#8217;s weird talents</li><li>[1:07:25] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimetre" target="_blank">Millimeter</a></li><li>[1:07:42] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_system#:~:text=A%20metric%20system%20is%20a,in%20France%20in%20the%201790s.&amp;text=The%20unit%20of%20time%20should,a%20decimal%20multiple%20of%20it." target="_blank">Metric System</a></li><li>[1:08:32] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-the-darkness/202107/the-possibility-precognition" target="_blank">Three-Minute Precognition</a></li><li>[1:09:14] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_101_in_California" target="_blank">U.S. 101</a></li><li>[1:09:32] What are Dan&#8217;s quirks</li><li>[1:10:02] Picky Goofy</li><li>[1:10:22] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="http://www.straight-six.com/top-10s-1970s-italian-wedge-supercars/" target="_blank">1960s &amp; Early 70s Italian Sports Cars</a></li><li>[1:12:39] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.ptc.com/en/technologies/cad#:~:text=What%20is%20CAD%3F,that%20get%20to%20market%20fast." target="_blank">CAD</a> (Computer-Aided Design)</li><li>[1:14:38] Paula Scher on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/paula-scher/" target="_blank">Episode #110</a> of the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em></li><li>[1:16:00] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.nike.com/" target="_blank">Nike</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.bmwusa.com/" target="_blank">BMW</a></li><li>[1:16:21] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://searchapparchitecture.techtarget.com/definition/software#:~:text=Software%20is%20a%20set%20of,computers%20and%20execute%20specific%20tasks.&amp;text=The%20two%20main%20categories%20of,specific%20need%20or%20performs%20tasks." target="_blank">Software</a></li><li>[1:16:50] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bottomline.asp" target="_blank">Bottom Line</a></li><li>[1:17:06] What&#8217;s a pet peeve Dan has</li></ul></li><li><strong>Rapid-Fire Q&amp;A</strong><ul><li>[1:17:50] What trend within biomimicry really excites Dan</li><li>[1:18:16] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/basics/dna/" target="_blank">DNA</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.newscientist.com/definition/what-is-crispr/#:~:text=CRISPR%20is%20a%20technology%20that,alter%20that%20piece%20of%20DNA." target="_blank">CRISPR</a>, <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.amazon.com/Code-Breaker-Jennifer-Doudna-Editing/dp/1982115858" target="_blank">The Code Breaker</a></em> by Walter Isaacson</li><li>[1:19:38] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/science/chaos-theory" target="_blank">Chaos Theory</a></li><li>[1:19:54] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://searchenterpriseai.techtarget.com/definition/AI-Artificial-Intelligence#:~:text=Artificial%20intelligence%20is%20the%20simulation,speech%20recognition%20and%20machine%20vision." target="_blank">Ai</a> (Artificial Intelligence)</li><li>[1:20:58] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.visitflorence.com/" target="_blank">Florence, Italy</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci" target="_blank">Leonardo da Vinci</a></li><li>[1:21:19] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Michelangelo" target="_blank">Michelangelo</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Medici" target="_blank">Medicis</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/Renaissance-man" target="_blank">Renaissance Men</a></li><li>[1:22:18] <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.uffizi.it/en/artworks/birth-of-venus" target="_blank">Venus</a></em> by Boticelli, <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/Mona-Lisa-painting" target="_blank">Mona Lisa</a></em> by Leonardo da Vinci</li><li>[1:22:52] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.claudemonetgallery.org/" target="_blank">Claude Monet</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.camille-pissarro.org/" target="_blank">Camille Pissarro</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.manet.org/" target="_blank">Édouard Manet</a></li><li>[1:23:01] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.georgesseurat.org/" target="_blank">Georges Seurat</a>, <a href="https://www.britannica.com/art/pointillism#:~:text=Pointillism%2C%20also%20called%20divisionism%20and,distance%20they%20visually%20blend%20together." target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Pointillism</a></li><li>[1:23:20] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/art-and-stories/art/vincent-van-gogh" target="_blank">Vincent van Gogh</a></li><li>[1:23:40] <a href="http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/new-york-school.htm" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">New York School of Abstract Expressionists</a></li><li>[1:24:06] <a href="http://www.markrothko.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Mark Rothko</a></li><li>[1:25:04] Connect with Dan at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.whipsaw.com/" target="_blank">Whipsaw.com</a> and on Instagram at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/whipsawdesign/">@WhipsawDesign</a> and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/danhardendesign/" target="_blank">@DanHardenDesign</a></li><li>[1:25:54] Awww thank you, Dan!</li></ul><ul><li>[1:26:28] What are Dan&#8217;s Final Thoughts</li><li>[1:27:26] Follow the <em style="color: var(--color); font-family: var(--fontFamily); font-size: var(--fontSize); font-weight: var(--fontWeight); letter-spacing: var(--letterSpacing); text-transform: var(--textTransform);"><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">Wild Business Growth Podcast</a></em><span style="color: var(--color); font-family: var(--fontFamily); font-size: var(--fontSize); font-style: var(--fontStyle, inherit); font-weight: var(--fontWeight); letter-spacing: var(--letterSpacing); text-transform: var(--textTransform);"> and tell a friend about the podcast</span></li></ul><ul><li>[1:27:38] Check out the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast </em>on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.goodpods.com/" target="_blank">GoodPods</a>, where you can see what your favorite people are listening to</li><li>[1:27:41] Connect with me on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/maxbranstetter/" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://twitter.com/maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-branstetter-74150a57/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a> at @MaxBranstetter</li><li>[1:27:43] Save time with your high-quality podcast. Email me at <a href="mailto:&#109;&#97;x&#64;m&#97;&#120;&#112;&#111;&#100;c&#97;s&#116;in&#103;&#46;c&#111;&#109;">&#109;&#97;&#120;&#64;&#109;a&#120;p&#111;d&#99;a&#115;&#116;i&#110;&#103;&#46;&#99;&#111;m</a> to bring your podcast to life and use it as a business-building tool</li><li>Theme music: Freestyle Percussion Magik &#8211; &#8220;Jungle Tribe&#8221; &#8211; provided by Jamendo</li></ul></li></ul>



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<p>Wild ideas. Wild growth. Every Wednesday morning a new entrepreneur or innovator joins the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> to share the crazy creative and unusual ways they grew their business, and provides tips for you to do it, too. Hear the woman who became the voice of Siri, the man who’s reinventing the sandcastle, how GaryVee’s partners are turning the wine world upside down, and more wild stories. Hosted by <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/about/" target="_blank">Max Branstetter</a> (that&#8217;s me), Founder and Podcast Producer at MaxPodcasting.</p>



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