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					<description><![CDATA[Greg Fisher, the Kelley Professor of Entrepreneurship and Author of The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress, joins the Wild Business Growth podcast to share his journey from accountant in South Africa to teaching the next generation of entrepreneurs at Indiana University (IU).]]></description>
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<p>Get (sh)it done. That&#8217;s the story of this week&#8217;s <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth</em></a> podcast guest, Greg Fisher. Greg is the Kelley Professor of Entrepreneurship and Author of <em>The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress</em>. Listen to the episode on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wild-business-growth-podcast/id1422144338?mt=2" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6mSUsqYobBljhKIuK9sKJV" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, and your other favorite <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">podcast platforms</a>, and watch on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPJ7ovuCpHVg7SJchnF2BZg" target="_blank">YouTube</a>.</p>



<ul><li><a href="#episode-summary">Episode Summary &amp; Player</a></li><li><a href="#full-transcript">Full Transcript</a></li><li><a href="#show-notes">Show Notes</a></li><li><a href="#podcast-summary"><em>Wild Business Growth </em>podcast Summary</a></li></ul>



<h2 id="episode-summary">Episode 320: Greg Fisher – Kelley Entrepreneurship Professor, <em>The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress</em></h2>



<p>Greg Fisher, the Kelley Professor of Entrepreneurship and Author of <em>The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress</em>, joins the show to share his journey from accountant in South Africa to teaching the next generation of entrepreneurs at Indiana University (IU). Hear how to become a college professor, the mistakes many new entrepreneurs make, how to keep things simple as an entrepreneur, how to maintain a sense of urgency, and the moment Greg felt truly at home in Bloomington. This episode covers everything from simplicity to Indiana Football. Here&#8217;s a small sample of what you will hear in this episode:</p>



<ul><li>What appealed to Greg about the Kelley School of Business &amp; Indiana University</li><li>Where did the idea for <em>The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress</em> come from</li><li>Sara Blakely</li><li>Hustle Culture</li><li>How do you grow your business</li><li>Why should you consider cycling</li><li>How do undergrad students compare to graduate students</li><li>Hoosier Gameday Lager</li></ul>



<p>Connect with Greg on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregcfisher/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a> and check out his book on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Entrepreneurial-Progress-Momentum-Launching/dp/0197669824" target="_blank">Amazon</a>.</p>



<h2 id="full-transcript"></h2>



<p>Enjoy the shoooooow! Check out the show notes below for much more detail. You can also find the full transcript <a href="https://maxpodcasting.com/greg-fisher-transcript/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>.</p>



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<ul><li><strong>Intro, Learninglab, and Kelley Professor of Entrepreneurship</strong><ul><li>[0:28] Email me at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="mailto:&#109;ax&#64;&#104;&#105;p&#112;od&#105;rec&#116;&#46;&#99;om" target="_blank">&#109;&#97;x&#64;m&#97;xp&#111;dcast&#105;n&#103;.&#99;om</a> to save time with your high-quality podcast and use it as a business-building tool</li></ul><ul><li>[0:40] Connect with Greg on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregcfisher/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a> and check out his book on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Entrepreneurial-Progress-Momentum-Launching/dp/0197669824" target="_blank">Amazon</a></li><li>[1:44] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/blakesorensen" target="_blank">Blake Sorensen</a> – <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/blake-sorensen/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth</em> podcast #146</a>: Snack Tackler, Founder of <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.eatblakes.com/" target="_blank">Blake’s Seed Based</a></li><li>[2:51] What was <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregcfisher/" target="_blank">Learninglab</a></li><li>[3:05] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.up.ac.za/gibs-business-school" target="_blank">MBA</a> (Masters of Business Administration), <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www2.deloitte.com/" target="_blank">Deloitte</a></li><li>[5:35] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://kelley.iu.edu/programs/online/index.html" target="_blank">Kelley Direct Online MBA</a></li><li>[5:42] How do you become a college professor</li><li>[9:14] What appealed to Greg about the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://kelley.iu.edu/index.html" target="_blank">Kelley School of Business</a> (KSB) at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bloomington.iu.edu/index.html" target="_blank">Indiana University</a> (IU)</li><li>[9:31] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.coursera.org/articles/what-does-phd-stand-for" target="_blank">PhD</a> (Doctor of Philosophy), <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://foster.uw.edu/academics/degree-programs/phd-program/" target="_blank">Foster School of Business</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.washington.edu/" target="_blank">University of Washington</a> (UW)</li><li>[9:59] <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413573/" target="_blank">Grey&#8217;s Anatomy</a></em>, <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108160/" target="_blank">Sleepless in Seattle</a></em>, <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106004/" target="_blank">Frasier</a></em></li><li>[10:28] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.visitbloomington.com/" target="_blank">College Town</a></li><li>[11:05] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/place/Johannesburg-South-Africa" target="_blank">Johannesburg</a>, South Africa</li><li>[12:38] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.visitbloomington.com/" target="_blank">Bloomington, IN</a></li><li>[13:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.visitbloomington.com/blog/stories/post/how-to-spend-a-day-on-kirkwood-avenue/" target="_blank">Kirkwood Ave</a></li></ul></li></ul>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" src="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/SquadShot-Greg-Fisher-1024x538.png" alt="SquadShot Greg Fisher" class="wp-image-10167" width="668" height="351" srcset="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/SquadShot-Greg-Fisher-1024x538.png 1024w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/SquadShot-Greg-Fisher-400x210.png 400w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/SquadShot-Greg-Fisher-768x403.png 768w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/SquadShot-Greg-Fisher-500x263.png 500w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/SquadShot-Greg-Fisher-400x210@2x.png 800w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/SquadShot-Greg-Fisher.png 1200w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/SquadShot-Greg-Fisher-500x263@2x.png 1000w" sizes="(max-width: 668px) 100vw, 668px" /><figcaption>Greg!</figcaption></figure></div>



<ul><li><strong><em>The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress</em></strong><ul><li>[14:09] Where did the idea for <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Entrepreneurial-Progress-Momentum-Launching/dp/0197669824" target="_blank">The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress</a></em> come from</li><li>[17:38] Shoutout, Dana!</li><li>[18:22] What&#8217;s something many new entrepreneurs struggle with</li><li>[19:33] Super App!</li><li>[20:48] How do you keep things simple as an entrepreneur aka S.I.M.P.L.E</li><li>[23:18] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle" target="_blank">K.I.S.S.</a> </li><li>[23:25] What&#8217;s another principle of entrepreneurial progress</li><li>[24:46] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20230417-hustle-culture-is-this-the-end-of-rise-and-grind" target="_blank">Hustle Culture</a></li><li>[25:12] <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.npr.org/series/490248027/how-i-built-this" target="_blank">How I Built This</a></em></li><li>[26:05] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/excel" target="_blank">Excel</a></li><li>[26:36] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="Sara Blakely" target="_blank">Spanx: Sara Blakely</a></li><li>[26:50] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.neimanmarcus.com/" target="_blank">Neiman Marcus</a></li><li>[28:13] Is urgency innate or does it have to be learned</li><li>[29:33] <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.amazon.com/Liftoff-Desperate-Early-Launched-SpaceX/dp/0062979973" target="_blank">Liftoff</a></em> by Eric Berger</li><li>[31:19] How do you grow your business</li><li>[33:24] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://blog.hubspot.com/sales/prototyping" target="_blank">Prototype</a></li><li>[33:59] The <em>Wild Business Growth</em> podcast is on YouTube! <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Subscribe @MaxBranstetter</a> to watch full video interviews with Wild entrepreneurs like Greg</li></ul><ul><li>[34:00] Sign up for the <em>Podcasting to the Max</em> newsletter at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/newsletter/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/Newsletter</a> and receive <em>How to Edit Your Podcast in Audacity</em>. It&#8217;s where podcasting meets entrepreneurship &#8211; and terrible puns</li><li>[34:02] Such an honor speaking at Podcast Movement &#8217;23 in Denver! Sign up to grab the slides from my session at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/PM23/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/PM23</a></li></ul></li></ul>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" src="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/The-Principles-of-Entrepreneurial-Progress-1.jpg" alt="Get The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress by Greg Fisher on Amazon" class="wp-image-10170" width="295" height="443" srcset="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/The-Principles-of-Entrepreneurial-Progress-1.jpg 667w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/The-Principles-of-Entrepreneurial-Progress-1-267x400.jpg 267w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/The-Principles-of-Entrepreneurial-Progress-1-500x750.jpg 500w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/The-Principles-of-Entrepreneurial-Progress-1-267x400@2x.jpg 534w" sizes="(max-width: 295px) 100vw, 295px" /><figcaption>Get <em>The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress</em> by Greg Fisher on <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Entrepreneurial-Progress-Momentum-Launching/dp/0197669824" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Amazon</a></figcaption></figure></div>



<ul><li><strong>Rapid-Fire Q&amp;A</strong><ul><li>[34:20] Why should you consider cycling</li><li>[34:42] How do undergrad students compare to graduate students</li><li>[35:23] How do you teach students online</li><li>[36:10] What does Greg miss about Johannesburg, South Africa</li><li>[36:35] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaans" target="_blank">Afrikaans</a></li><li>[37:20] What was the moment Greg first felt truly at home in Bloomington</li><li>[39:03] Shoutout, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.mapquest.com/us/indiana/n-fee-ln-480196375" target="_blank">N Fee Ln</a></li><li>[39:25] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://uplandbeer.com/locations/bloomington/" target="_blank">Upland Brewing Co</a></li><li>[40:25] <a href="https://uplandbeer.com/featured/three-lil-pigs/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Three Lil&#8217; Pigs</a>, <a href="https://uplandbeer.com/beers/hoosier-gameday-lager/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Hoosier Gameday Lager</a></li><li>[40:42] <a href="https://iuhoosiers.com/sports/football" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Indiana Football</a></li><li>[41:19] Connect with Greg on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregcfisher/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a> and check out his book on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Entrepreneurial-Progress-Momentum-Launching/dp/0197669824" target="_blank">Amazon</a></li></ul><ul><li>[42:53] What are Greg&#8217;s Final Thoughts</li></ul><ul><li>[43:25] Follow the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth</em></a> podcast and tell a friend about the podcast. And show love (or roast me) by leaving 5 stars on Apple Podcasts and/or Spotify</li></ul><ul><li>[43:34] The <em>Wild Business Growth</em> podcast is on YouTube! <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Subscribe @MaxBranstetter</a> to watch full video interviews with Wild entrepreneurs like Greg</li></ul><ul><li>[43:38] Check out the <em>Wild Business Growth</em> podcast<em> </em>on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.goodpods.com/" target="_blank">Goodpods</a>, where you can see what your favorite people are listening to</li><li>[43:41] Connect with me on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-branstetter-74150a57/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/maxbranstetter/" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://twitter.com/maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Twitter</a> (aka <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://twitter.com/maxbranstetter" target="_blank">X</a>), and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.threads.net/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Threads</a> @MaxBranstetter and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.tiktok.com/@wildbusinessgrowth" target="_blank">TikTok</a> @WildBusinessGrowth</li></ul><ul><li>[43:43] Save time with your high-quality podcast. Email me at <a href="mailto:max&#64;&#109;a&#120;&#112;&#111;dca&#115;&#116;&#105;n&#103;.c&#111;&#109;">ma&#120;&#64;m&#97;&#120;p&#111;&#100;&#99;&#97;s&#116;ing.c&#111;m</a> to bring your podcast to life and use it as a business-building tool</li><li>[43:48] Sign up for the <em>Podcasting to the Max</em> newsletter at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/newsletter/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/Newsletter</a> and receive <em>How to Edit Your Podcast in Audacity</em>. It&#8217;s where podcasting meets entrepreneurship &#8211; and terrible puns</li><li>Theme music: Freestyle Percussion Magik &#8211; &#8220;Jungle Tribe&#8221; &#8211; provided by Jamendo</li></ul></li></ul>



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<h2 id="podcast-summary"><strong>What is the <em>Wild Business Growth</em> podcast?</strong></h2>



<p>Wild ideas. Wild growth. Every Wednesday morning a new entrepreneur joins the <em>Wild Business Growth </em>podcast to share the wildly creative and unusual ways they grew their business &#8211; and teaches you how to do it, too. Hear the minds behind WordPress, Stacy&#8217;s Pita Chips, Drybar, NFL RedZone, Big Mouth Billy Bass, the voice of Bart Simpson, and more Wild stories. Hosted by <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/about/" target="_blank">Max Branstetter</a> (that&#8217;s me), Founder and Podcast Producer at MaxPodcasting.</p>



<h2><strong>How do you start a podcast?</strong></h2>



<p>Interested in starting a professional-sounding and professional-looking podcast for your brand, but don&#8217;t want to deal with the time commitment of all those behind-the-scenes details? I’ve got you covered. Email me at <a href="mailto:&#109;&#97;x&#64;ma&#120;podcast&#105;&#110;g.c&#111;m">m&#97;&#120;&#64;&#109;ax&#112;odc&#97;&#115;&#116;&#105;ng.&#99;&#111;&#109;</a> to save time with your high-quality podcast and use it as a business-building tool.</p>



<p>Thanks for listening to Greg Fisher on the <em>Wild Business Growth</em> podcast.<em> </em>To hear more Wild stories like this one every Wednesday morning, follow the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth</em></a> podcast and tell a friend about it. And read <em>The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress</em> with them. Until next time, Let your business Run Wild&#8230;and <strong><em>Bring on the Bongos!!</em></strong></p>
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		<title>Andy Hunter &#8211; Wild Business Growth Podcast #277: Bookshop Bodyguard, Founder of Bookshop.org</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Branstetter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 04:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andy Hunter, the Founder and CEO of Bookshop.org, joins the Wild Business Growth Podcast to share his journey from books saving his life as a kid to raising over $30 million for local bookstores.]]></description>
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<p>If no one&#8217;s building anything to stand up for what you believe in, build it yourself. That&#8217;s the story of this week&#8217;s <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth&nbsp;Podcast</em></a> guest, Andy Hunter. Andy is the Founder and CEO of <a href="https://bookshop.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Bookshop.org</a>. Listen to the episode on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wild-business-growth-podcast/id1422144338?mt=2" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6mSUsqYobBljhKIuK9sKJV" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPJ7ovuCpHVg7SJchnF2BZg" target="_blank">YouTube</a>,&nbsp;and your other favorite <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">podcast platforms</a>.</p>



<ul><li><a href="#episode-summary">Episode Summary &amp; Player</a></li><li><a href="#full-transcript">Full Transcript</a></li><li><a href="#show-notes">Show Notes</a></li><li><a href="#podcast-summary"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> Summary</a></li></ul>



<h2 id="episode-summary">Episode 277: Andy Hunter – Bookshop Bodyguard, Founder of Bookshop.org</h2>



<p>Andy Hunter, the Founder and CEO of <a href="https://bookshop.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Bookshop.org</a>, joins the show to share his journey from books saving his life as a kid to raising over $30 million for local bookstores. Hear why books and bookshops take you to a magical place, how to set up a B Corp, go head-to-head with a massive competitor like Amazon, go from full-time employee to entrepreneur, and Andy’s family treasure hunt for the best ice cream flavor. This episode covers everything from Balzac to Lolla. Here&#8217;s a small sample of what you will hear in this episode:</p>



<ul><li>When did Andy first think he could start a business to support local bookstores</li><li>How did potential investors react when he mentioned they were going against Amazon</li><li>What feedback has he heard from local bookshop owners</li><li>How has he grown <a href="https://bookshop.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Bookshop.org</a> to raise millions for local bookstores</li><li>Mr. Structure, Mr. Consistency, and Mr. Prompt</li><li>How do you start a business around a cause</li><li>Sorry, Minnesotans!</li><li>What&#8217;s the most memorable moment from working with Perry Farrell</li></ul>



<p>Connect with Andy at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/" target="_blank">Bookshop.org</a> and on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-hunter-64484224/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>.</p>



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<p>Enjoy the shoooooow! Check out the show notes below for much more detail. You can also find the full transcript <a href="https://maxpodcasting.com/andy-hunter-transcript/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>.</p>



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<ul><li><strong>Intro &amp; Books</strong><ul><li>[0:27] Email me at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="mailto:max&#64;&#104;&#105;p&#112;&#111;d&#105;rec&#116;.com" target="_blank">m&#97;x&#64;ma&#120;po&#100;&#99;&#97;s&#116;i&#110;&#103;.&#99;om</a> to save time with your high-quality podcast and use it as a business-building tool</li><li>[0:53] Connect with Andy at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/" target="_blank">Bookshop.org</a> and on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-hunter-64484224/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li></ul><ul><li>[2:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyInzS2C7to" target="_blank">Really really</a></li><li>[2:32] How did books save Andy&#8217;s life</li><li>[3:55] **Help is available. Suicide &amp; Crisis Lifeline: <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://988lifeline.org/talk-to-someone-now/" target="_blank">988</a>**</li><li>[5:24] Why do books take you to a magical place</li><li>[5:55] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/contributors/gustave-flaubert-7ea18bd6-2510-4429-9f31-21db11a12383" target="_blank">Gustave Flaubert</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/contributors/balzac-honore-de-598a766e-ecd6-4b46-972a-0cd224dba352" target="_blank">Honoré de Balzac</a></li><li>[6:10] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_relativity" target="_blank">Relativity</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/search?keywords=brian+greene" target="_blank">Brian Greene</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.sfn.org/" target="_blank">Neuroscience</a>, <em><a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-brain-that-changes-itself-stories-of-personal-triumph-from-the-frontiers-of-brain-science-norman-doidge/8396890?ean=9780143113102" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Brain That Changes Itself</a></em> by Norman Doidge, M.D.</li><li>[7:06] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/telepathy" target="_blank">Telepathy</a></li></ul></li></ul>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" width="1024" height="538" src="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Andy-Hunter-1024x538.png" alt="Andy Hunter - Wild Business Growth Podcast #277: Bookshop Bodyguard, Founder of Bookshop.org" class="wp-image-8467" srcset="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Andy-Hunter-1024x538.png 1024w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Andy-Hunter-400x210.png 400w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Andy-Hunter-768x403.png 768w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Andy-Hunter-500x263.png 500w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Andy-Hunter-400x210@2x.png 800w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Andy-Hunter.png 1200w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Andy-Hunter-500x263@2x.png 1000w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption>Mr. Hunter!</figcaption></figure></div>



<ul><li><strong>The Bookshop.org Story</strong><ul><li>[7:29] When did Andy first think he could start a business to <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/" target="_blank">support local bookstores</a></li><li>[7:58] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.techtarget.com/searchdatacenter/definition/IT" target="_blank">IT</a> (Information Technology), <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.accounting.com/" target="_blank">Accounting</a></li><li>[8:05] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.brooklyn.edu/academics/programs/creative-writing-mfa/" target="_blank">Creative Writing, MFA</a> (Masters of Fine Arts)</li><li>[8:54] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.hippodirect.com/nonprofit-fundraising-executives-lists" target="_blank">Nonprofit</a></li><li>[10:01] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Death_Star" target="_blank">Death Star</a></li><li>[10:05] How did potential investors react when Andy mentioned they were going against Amazon</li><li>[12:04] How did he bring the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/" target="_blank">Bookshop.org</a> idea to life</li><li>[12:35] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.facebook.com/business/ads" target="_blank">Facebook Ads</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://ads.google.com/home/" target="_blank">Google Ads</a></li><li>[12:56] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By-law" target="_blank">Bylaws</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/equities/shareholders-agreement/" target="_blank">Shareholders&#8217; Agreement</a></li><li>[13:45] How much money did <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/" target="_blank">Bookshop.org</a> raise for local bookstores in the early days</li><li>[14:05] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.entrepreneurshipandart.com/posts/the-trough-of-despair-part-1-acceptance" target="_blank">Trough of Despair</a></li><li>[14:25] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.productplan.com/glossary/minimum-viable-product/" target="_blank">MVP</a> (Minimum Viable Product)</li><li>[14:57] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.gofundme.com/" target="_blank">GoFundMe</a></li><li>[15:18] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">Podcasts</a></li><li>[15:51] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.parcelpending.com/en-us/blog/what-is-curbside-pick-up/" target="_blank">Curbside Pickup</a></li><li>[16:29] Shoutout, Max</li><li>[16:52] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://rocketpower.fandom.com/wiki/Shoobies" target="_blank">Shoobie</a></li><li>[17:05] How do you set up a <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.bcorporation.net/" target="_blank">B Corp</a> (<a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://usca.bcorporation.net/benefit-corporation/" target="_blank">Benefit Corporation</a>)</li><li>[17:20] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.bcorporation.net/" target="_blank">B Lab</a></li><li>[18:28] Borders</li><li>[18:55] Grubhub</li><li>[20:02] Voice Crack #1</li><li>[20:16] How has Andy grown <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/" target="_blank">Bookshop.org</a> to raise millions for local bookstores</li><li>[20:41] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://blog.hubspot.com/service/omni-channel-experience" target="_blank">Omnichannel</a></li><li>[21:12] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/affiliates/profile/introduction" target="_blank">Affiliate Program</a></li><li>[21:28] <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/shop/TIME" target="_blank">TIME</a></em>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/shop/buzzfeed" target="_blank">BuzzFeed</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/shop/npr" target="_blank">NPR</a>, <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/shop/theatlantic" target="_blank">The Atlantic</a></em></li><li>[21:48] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.bookweb.org/node" target="_blank">American Booksellers Association</a> (ABA)</li><li>[22:05] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/profitmargin.asp" target="_blank">Profit Margin</a></li><li>[22:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.wordstream.com/blog/ws/2023/02/24/digital-advertising" target="_blank">Digital Advertising</a> (Digital Ads)</li><li>[22:12] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.shopify.com/blog/what-is-ecommerce" target="_blank">eCommerce</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/word-of-mouth-marketing.asp" target="_blank">Word-of-Mouth Marketing</a> (WOM)</li><li>[22:49] What feedback has Andy heard from local bookshop owners</li><li>[25:03] Why is there so much magic in bookstores</li><li>[26:40] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/algorithm" target="_blank">Algorithm</a></li><li>[26:52] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.oprah.com/" target="_blank">Oprah Winfrey</a></li><li>[27:03] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live" target="_blank">SNL</a> (Saturday Night Live)</li><li>[27:37] Come to CEX (Content Entrepreneur Expo) May 5-7, 2024 in Cleveland, OH! Save $100 off the in-person ticket price by registering at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://cex.events/" target="_blank">CEX.Events</a> and using the coupon code: MAX100</li></ul><ul><li>[29:41] The <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> is on YouTube! <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Subscribe @MaxBranstetter</a> to watch full video interviews with Wild entrepreneurs like Andy</li></ul><ul><li>[29:42] Sign up for the <em>Podcasting to the Max</em> newsletter at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/newsletter/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/Newsletter</a> and receive <em>How to Edit Your Podcast in Audacity</em>. It&#8217;s where podcasting meets entrepreneurship &#8211; and terrible puns</li></ul><ul><li>[29:43] Such an honor speaking at Podcast Movement &#8217;23 in Denver! Sign up to grab the slides from my session at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/PM23/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/PM23</a></li></ul></li><li><strong>Inspiration &amp; Creativity</strong><ul><li>[30:12] How do you go from full-time employee to <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">entrepreneur</a></li><li>[30:42] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.hgtv.com/how-to" target="_blank">DIY</a> (Do It Yourself)</li><li>[31:44] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/11874-stress" target="_blank">Stress</a></li><li>[32:47] How do you reduce your stress as an entrepreneur</li><li>[33:14] Runnin&#8217; Ragged</li><li>[34:03] How do you find talent</li><li>[34:21] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">Startup</a></li><li>[34:26] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.betterup.com/blog/how-to-have-good-work-life-balance" target="_blank">Work-Life Balance</a></li><li>[34:35] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.productplan.com/glossary/product-market-fit/" target="_blank">Product-Market Fit</a></li><li>[35:01] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalist" target="_blank">Generalist</a></li><li>[35:04] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/topics/ui-design" target="_blank">UI</a> (User Interface), <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/topics/ux-design" target="_blank">UX</a> (User Experience), <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.pmi.org/about/learn-about-pmi/what-is-project-management" target="_blank">Project Management</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://marketingplatform.google.com/about/analytics/" target="_blank">Google Analytics</a></li><li>[36:21] How do you start a business around a cause</li><li>[36:39] Voice Crack #2</li><li>[36:40] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/122214/what-difference-between-revenue-and-income.asp" target="_blank">Revenue</a></li><li>[37:26] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/market-research.asp" target="_blank">Market Research</a></li></ul></li></ul>



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<ul><li><strong>The Unusual</strong><ul><li>[38:35] What&#8217;s a Weird Talent Andy has</li><li>[40:28] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://kelley.iu.edu/programs/undergrad/academics/majors-minors-certificates/entrepreneurship-corporate-innovation-curriculum.html" target="_blank">Kelley Entrepreneurship</a></li><li>[40:38] Bazinga</li><li>[41:09] What&#8217;s a Quirk Andy has</li><li>[41:25] Mr. Structure, Mr. Consistency</li><li>[41:53] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.mms.com/en-us" target="_blank">m&amp;m&#8217;s</a></li><li>[43:15] What if?!</li><li>[43:19] Sorry, Minnesotans!</li><li>[43:52] What&#8217;s Andy&#8217;s Biggest Pet Peeve</li><li>[44:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://new.mta.info/maps" target="_blank">Subway</a></li><li>[44:22] Bryce Wuori – <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/bryce-wuori/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> #273</a>: Construction Meteorologist, Co-Founder of <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://pavewisepro.com/" target="_blank">Pavewise</a></li></ul></li><li><strong>Rapid-Fire Q&amp;A</strong><ul><li>[45:41] What&#8217;s the most fun <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.masterclass.com/articles/creative-writing-exercises-to-strengthen-your-writing" target="_blank">creative writing exercise</a> Andy has done</li><li>[45:58] Mr. Prompt</li><li>[46:24] <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356910/" target="_blank">Mr. &amp; Mrs. Smith</a></em></li><li>[46:41] <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.lollapalooza.com/" target="_blank">Lollapalooza Magazine</a></em>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Farrell" target="_blank">Perry Farrell</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://janesaddiction.com/" target="_blank">Jane&#8217;s Addiction</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.lollapalooza.com/" target="_blank">Lollapalooza</a> (Lolla)</li><li>[47:15] What&#8217;s the most memorable moment from working with Perry Farrell</li><li>[48:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Games" target="_blank">Gravity Games</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.xgames.com/" target="_blank">X Games</a></li><li>[48:49] Whoops</li><li>[48:59] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/search?keywords=McSweeney%27s" target="_blank">McSweeney&#8217;s</a></li><li>[49:34] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://vanleeuwenicecream.com/product/honeycomb/" target="_blank">Van Leeuwen Honeycomb</a></li><li>[49:42] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.tillamook.com/products/ice-cream/malted-moo-shake" target="_blank">Malted Vanilla Tillamook</a> aka Malted Moo Shake</li><li>[50:20] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.steaknshake.com/" target="_blank">Steak &#8216;n Shake</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.johnnyrockets.com/" target="_blank">Johnny Rockets</a></li><li>[50:46] Connect with Andy at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://bookshop.org/" target="_blank">Bookshop.org</a> and on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-hunter-64484224/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li></ul><ul><li>[51:18] What are Andy&#8217;s Final Thoughts</li></ul><ul><li>[52:29] Follow the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em></a> and tell a friend about the podcast. And show love (or roast me) by leaving 5 stars on Apple Podcasts and/or Spotify</li></ul><ul><li>[52:48] The <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> is on YouTube! <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Subscribe @MaxBranstetter</a> to watch full video interviews with Wild entrepreneurs like Andy</li><li>[52:50] Come to CEX (Content Entrepreneur Expo) May 5-7, 2024 in Cleveland, OH! Save $100 off the in-person ticket price by registering at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://cex.events/" target="_blank">CEX.Events</a> and using the coupon code: MAX100</li><li>[52:57] Check out the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast </em>on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.goodpods.com/" target="_blank">Goodpods</a>, where you can see what your favorite people are listening to</li><li>[52:59] Connect with me on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-branstetter-74150a57/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/maxbranstetter/" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://twitter.com/maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Twitter</a> (aka <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://twitter.com/maxbranstetter" target="_blank">X</a>), and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.threads.net/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Threads</a> @MaxBranstetter and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.tiktok.com/@wildbusinessgrowth" target="_blank">TikTok</a> @WildBusinessGrowth</li><li>[53:01] Save time with your high-quality podcast. Email me at <a href="mailto:&#109;a&#120;&#64;&#109;ax&#112;&#111;&#100;&#99;as&#116;i&#110;g&#46;co&#109;">ma&#120;&#64;m&#97;&#120;&#112;o&#100;c&#97;s&#116;i&#110;g.&#99;om</a> to bring your podcast to life and use it as a business-building tool</li><li>[53:08] Sign up for the <em>Podcasting to the Max</em> newsletter at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/newsletter/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/Newsletter</a> and receive <em>How to Edit Your Podcast in Audacity</em>. It&#8217;s where podcasting meets entrepreneurship &#8211; and terrible puns</li><li>Theme music: Freestyle Percussion Magik &#8211; &#8220;Jungle Tribe&#8221; &#8211; provided by Jamendo</li></ul></li></ul>



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<h2 id="podcast-summary"><strong>What is the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em>?</strong></h2>



<p>Wild ideas. Wild growth. Every Wednesday morning a new entrepreneur joins the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> to share the wildly creative and unusual ways they grew their business &#8211; and teaches you how to do it, too. Hear the minds behind WordPress, Stacy&#8217;s Pita Chips, Drybar, NFL RedZone, Big Mouth Billy Bass, the voice of Bart Simpson, and more Wild stories. Hosted by <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/about/" target="_blank">Max Branstetter</a> (that&#8217;s me), Founder and Podcast Producer at MaxPodcasting.</p>



<h2><strong>How do you start a podcast?</strong></h2>



<p>Interested in starting a professional-sounding podcast for your brand, but don&#8217;t want to deal with the time commitment of all those behind-the-scenes details? I’ve got you covered. Email me at <a href="mailto:ma&#120;&#64;&#109;a&#120;&#112;o&#100;&#99;&#97;sti&#110;&#103;.&#99;&#111;&#109;">max&#64;m&#97;xpo&#100;ca&#115;&#116;&#105;&#110;&#103;.&#99;om</a> to save time with your high-quality podcast and use it as a business-building tool.</p>



<p>Thanks for listening to Andy Hunter on the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em>.<em> </em>To hear more Wild stories like this one every Wednesday morning, follow the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em></a> and tell a friend about it. And  support local bookstores with them. Until next time, Let your business Run Wild&#8230;and <strong><em>Bring on the Bongos!!</em></strong></p>
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