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		<title>Len Kretchman &#8211; Wild Business Growth Podcast #322: Uncrustables Creator, Bread Kneads Co-Founder</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Len Kretchman, the Creator of Uncrustables and Co-Founder of Bread Kneads, joins the Wild Business Growth podcast to share his journey from college football star to creating the crustless PB&#038;J sandwich that became a billion-dollar brand.]]></description>
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<p>Find a way to make it. That&#8217;s the story of this week&#8217;s <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth</em></a>&nbsp;podcast guest, Len Kretchman. Len is the Creator of Uncrustables and Co-Founder of Bread Kneads. Listen to the episode on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wild-business-growth-podcast/id1422144338?mt=2" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6mSUsqYobBljhKIuK9sKJV" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, and your other favorite <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">podcast platforms</a>, and watch on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPJ7ovuCpHVg7SJchnF2BZg" target="_blank">YouTube</a>.</p>



<ul><li><a href="#episode-summary">Episode Summary &amp; Player</a></li><li><a href="#full-transcript">Full Transcript</a></li><li><a href="#show-notes">Show Notes</a></li><li><a href="#podcast-summary"><em>Wild Business Growth </em>podcast Summary</a></li></ul>



<h2 id="episode-summary">Episode 322: Len Kretchman – Uncrustables Creator, Bread Kneads Co-Founder</h2>



<p>Len Kretchman, the Creator of Uncrustables and Co-Founder of Bread Kneads, joins the show to share his journey from college football star to creating the crustless PB&amp;J sandwich that became a billion-dollar brand. Hear how his wife Emily came up with the idea for Uncrustables, the insights that made them possible to produce, the moment they knew it would be a success, how they sold Uncrustables to Smucker&#8217;s, and Len’s favorite route to run as a wide receiver.&nbsp;This episode covers everything from PB&amp;J to Paintin&#8217; Manning. Here&#8217;s a small sample of what you will hear in this episode:</p>



<ul><li>What&#8217;s unique about the school food service industry</li><li>When did Len decide they needed a patent for Uncrustables</li><li>Did he ever think he&#8217;d sell the business one day</li><li>Cooperstown</li><li>What is Len&#8217;s favorite type of bread to eat</li></ul>



<p>Connect with Len at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://breadkneadsllc.com/" target="_blank">BreadKneadsLLC.com</a> and <a href="mailto:&#79;rder&#115;&#64;&#66;r&#101;&#97;&#100;Kn&#101;&#97;d&#115;&#46;&#110;et">&#79;&#114;&#100;er&#115;&#64;Br&#101;&#97;&#100;Kn&#101;&#97;&#100;&#115;.&#110;e&#116;</a>.</p>



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<p>Enjoy the shoooooow! Check out the show notes below for much more detail. You can also find the full transcript <a href="https://maxpodcasting.com/len-kretchman-transcript/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>.</p>



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<h2 id="show-notes"><strong>Show Notes</strong></h2>



<ul><li><strong>Intro &amp; Bread Kneads</strong><ul><li>[0:57] Email me at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="mailto:&#109;a&#120;&#64;hipp&#111;d&#105;r&#101;c&#116;&#46;&#99;&#111;&#109;" target="_blank">&#109;ax&#64;m&#97;&#120;po&#100;&#99;&#97;&#115;&#116;i&#110;g.&#99;&#111;m</a> to save time with your high-quality podcast and use it as a business-building tool</li></ul><ul><li>[1:14] Connect with Len at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://breadkneadsllc.com/" target="_blank">BreadKneadsLLC.com</a> and <a href="mailto:&#79;&#114;&#100;e&#114;s&#64;B&#114;ea&#100;&#75;n&#101;ad&#115;&#46;n&#101;&#116;">Ord&#101;r&#115;&#64;Br&#101;adKnea&#100;s&#46;&#110;&#101;&#116;</a></li><li>[2:40] How did he start selling <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://breadkneadsllc.com/" target="_blank">frozen bread</a> for a living</li><li>[3:45] What&#8217;s unique about the <a href="https://schoolnutrition.org/resources/industry-resources/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">school food service industry</a></li></ul></li></ul>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" src="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/0012357_smuckers-uncrustables-peanut-butter-grape-jelly-sandwich-4-pack.jpeg" alt="Uncrustables" class="wp-image-10241" width="619" height="619" srcset="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/0012357_smuckers-uncrustables-peanut-butter-grape-jelly-sandwich-4-pack-500x500@2x.jpeg 1000w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/0012357_smuckers-uncrustables-peanut-butter-grape-jelly-sandwich-4-pack-200x200@2x.jpeg 400w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/0012357_smuckers-uncrustables-peanut-butter-grape-jelly-sandwich-4-pack-200x200.jpeg 200w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/0012357_smuckers-uncrustables-peanut-butter-grape-jelly-sandwich-4-pack-768x768.jpeg 768w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/0012357_smuckers-uncrustables-peanut-butter-grape-jelly-sandwich-4-pack-500x500.jpeg 500w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/0012357_smuckers-uncrustables-peanut-butter-grape-jelly-sandwich-4-pack-400x400@2x.jpeg 800w" sizes="(max-width: 619px) 100vw, 619px" /><figcaption>YUM</figcaption></figure></div>



<ul><li><strong>The Uncrustables Story</strong><ul><li>[5:35] &#8220;<a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5854102/2024/10/24/uncrustables-nfl/" target="_blank">Wait, NFL players eat how many Uncrustables?</a>&#8220;</li><li>[5:52] Where did the idea for <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.smuckersuncrustables.com/" target="_blank">Uncrustables</a> come from</li><li>[7:49] What insights made Uncrustables possible to produce</li><li>[9:57] What was the &#8220;aha&#8221; moment for Len&#8217;s wife Emily</li><li>[11:17] When did Len know Uncrustables would be a success</li><li>[12:08] Not to get technical</li><li>[14:05] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fyuCB0sxMQ" target="_blank">Paintin&#8217; Manning</a></li><li>[14:08] When did Len decide they needed a <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.uspto.gov/" target="_blank">patent</a> for Uncrustables</li><li>[16:15] How did <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.smuckers.com/" target="_blank">Smucker&#8217;s</a> buy Uncrustables</li><li>[17:25] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-j-m-smucker-company-announces-retirement-of-corporate-officer-300193166.html" target="_blank">Vince Byrd</a> </li><li>[17:58] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://investors.jmsmucker.com/governance/board-of-directors/default.aspx" target="_blank">Richard Smucker</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jmsmucker.com/about" target="_blank">Tim Smucker</a></li><li>[18:16] Did Len ever think he&#8217;d sell the business one day</li><li>[19:08] Should you sell your business as an <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/blog/" target="_blank">entrepreneur</a></li><li>[20:15] &#8220;<a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.fastcompany.com/91077676/uncrustables-billion-sales-inside-j-m-smucker-peanut-butter-jelly-travis-jason-kelce" target="_blank">The untold story of how Uncrustables became a nearly $1 billion brand. Yes, Uncrustables</a>&#8220;</li><li>[21:29] Why did Uncrustables become a success</li><li>[22:47] Cooperstown aka <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://baseballhall.org/" target="_blank">Baseball Hall of Fame</a></li></ul><ul><li>[22:57] The <em>Wild Business Growth</em> podcast is on YouTube! <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Subscribe @MaxBranstetter</a> to watch full video interviews with Wild entrepreneurs like Len</li></ul><ul><li>[22:58] Sign up for the <em>Podcasting to the Max</em> newsletter at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/newsletter/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/Newsletter</a> and receive <em>How to Edit Your Podcast in Audacity</em>. It&#8217;s where podcasting meets entrepreneurship &#8211; and terrible puns</li><li>[23:00] Such an honor speaking at Podcast Movement &#8217;23 in Denver! Sign up to grab the slides from my session at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/PM23/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/PM23</a></li></ul></li></ul>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" width="200" height="280" src="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Len-Kretchman-NDSU.jpg" alt="Len Kretchman NDSU" class="wp-image-10243"/><figcaption>Len Kretchman in his NDSU days</figcaption></figure></div>



<ul><li><strong>Rapid-Fire Q&amp;A</strong><ul><li>[24:02] What&#8217;s Len&#8217;s favorite memory from playing football at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://gobison.com/honors/bison-athletic-hall-of-fame/len-kretchman/44/kiosk" target="_blank">North Dakota State University</a> (NDSU)</li><li>[25:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://gobison.com/honors/bison-athletic-hall-of-fame/don-morton/101" target="_blank">Don Morton</a> </li><li>[26:04] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1yWSePMqsk" target="_blank">Al Pacino <em>Any Given Sunday</em> Speech</a></li><li>[26:50] What was Len&#8217;s favorite route to run as a wide receiver (WR)</li><li>[27:52] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Stadium" target="_blank">Met Stadium</a> (Metropolitan Stadium), <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Rashad" target="_blank">Ahmad Rashad</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cris_Carter" target="_blank">Cris Carter</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Moss" target="_blank">Randy Moss</a></li><li>[28:41] What is Len&#8217;s <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://breadkneadsllc.com/" target="_blank">favorite type of bread</a> to eat</li><li>[30:02] Connect with Len at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://breadkneadsllc.com/" target="_blank">BreadKneadsLLC.com</a> and <a href="mailto:&#79;rd&#101;&#114;&#115;&#64;BreadK&#110;ea&#100;s&#46;n&#101;&#116;">&#79;&#114;d&#101;&#114;s&#64;&#66;r&#101;a&#100;&#75;ne&#97;ds&#46;&#110;e&#116;</a></li></ul><ul><li>[30:44] What are Len&#8217;s Final Thoughts</li></ul><ul><li>[30:55] Follow the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth</em></a> podcast and tell a friend about the podcast. And show love (or roast me) by leaving 5 stars on Apple Podcasts and/or Spotify</li></ul><ul><li>[31:22] The <em>Wild Business Growth</em> podcast is on YouTube! <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Subscribe @MaxBranstetter</a> to watch full video interviews with Wild entrepreneurs like Len</li></ul><ul><li>[31:23] Check out the <em>Wild Business Growth</em> podcast<em> </em>on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.goodpods.com/" target="_blank">Goodpods</a>, where you can see what your favorite people are listening to</li><li>[31:24] Connect with me on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-branstetter-74150a57/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/maxbranstetter/" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://twitter.com/maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Twitter</a> (aka <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://twitter.com/maxbranstetter" target="_blank">X</a>), and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.threads.net/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Threads</a> @MaxBranstetter and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.tiktok.com/@wildbusinessgrowth" target="_blank">TikTok</a> @WildBusinessGrowth</li></ul><ul><li>[31:27] Save time with your high-quality podcast. Email me at <a href="mailto:&#109;a&#120;&#64;m&#97;x&#112;o&#100;&#99;&#97;st&#105;ng&#46;&#99;&#111;m">m&#97;&#120;&#64;&#109;axpodcas&#116;&#105;ng.&#99;o&#109;</a> to bring your podcast to life and use it as a business-building tool</li><li>[31:35] Sign up for the <em>Podcasting to the Max</em> newsletter at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/newsletter/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/Newsletter</a> and receive <em>How to Edit Your Podcast in Audacity</em>. It&#8217;s where podcasting meets entrepreneurship &#8211; and terrible puns</li><li>Theme music: Freestyle Percussion Magik &#8211; &#8220;Jungle Tribe&#8221; &#8211; provided by Jamendo</li></ul></li></ul>



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<h2 id="podcast-summary"><strong>What is the <em>Wild Business Growth</em> podcast?</strong></h2>



<p>Wild ideas. Wild growth. Every Wednesday morning a new entrepreneur joins the <em>Wild Business Growth </em>podcast to share the wildly creative and unusual ways they grew their business &#8211; and teaches you how to do it, too. Hear the minds behind WordPress, Stacy&#8217;s Pita Chips, Drybar, NFL RedZone, Big Mouth Billy Bass, the voice of Bart Simpson, and more Wild stories. Hosted by <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/about/" target="_blank">Max Branstetter</a> (that&#8217;s me), Founder and Podcast Producer at MaxPodcasting.</p>



<h2><strong>How do you start a podcast?</strong></h2>



<p>Interested in starting a professional-sounding and professional-looking podcast for your brand, but don&#8217;t want to deal with the time commitment of all those behind-the-scenes details? I’ve got you covered. Email me at <a href="mailto:m&#97;&#120;&#64;m&#97;&#120;p&#111;dc&#97;&#115;ti&#110;&#103;&#46;c&#111;m">&#109;ax&#64;m&#97;x&#112;&#111;dc&#97;st&#105;&#110;&#103;.com</a> to save time with your high-quality podcast and use it as a business-building tool.</p>



<p>Thanks for listening to Len Kretchman on the <em>Wild Business Growth</em> podcast.<em> </em>To hear more Wild stories like this one every Wednesday morning, follow the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth</em></a> podcast and tell a friend about it. And pound some Uncrustables with them. Until next time, Let your business Run Wild&#8230;and <strong><em>Bring on the Bongos!!</em></strong></p>
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