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					<description><![CDATA[Aytekin Tank, the Founder and CEO of Jotform and Bestselling Author of Automate Your Busywork, joins the Wild Business Growth Podcast to share his journey from using the school computer on weekends to creating online forms for 20 million users.]]></description>
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<p>Do the work that&#8217;s most important. That&#8217;s the story of this week&#8217;s <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em></a> guest, Aytekin Tank. Aytekin is the Founder and CEO of Jotform and Bestselling Author of <em>Automate Your Busywork</em>. Listen to the episode on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wild-business-growth-podcast/id1422144338?mt=2" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6mSUsqYobBljhKIuK9sKJV" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPJ7ovuCpHVg7SJchnF2BZg" target="_blank">YouTube</a>, and your other favorite <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank">podcast platforms</a>.</p>



<ul><li><a href="#episode-summary">Episode Summary &amp; Player</a></li><li><a href="#full-transcript">Full Transcript</a></li><li><a href="#show-notes">Show Notes</a></li><li><a href="#podcast-summary"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> Summary</a></li></ul>



<h2 id="episode-summary">Episode 278: Aytekin Tank – <em>Automate Your Busywork</em>, Founder of Jotform</h2>



<p>Aytekin Tank, the Founder and CEO of Jotform and Bestselling Author of <em>Automate Your Busywork</em>, joins the show to share his journey from using the school computer on weekends to creating online forms for 20 million users. Hear his Rules on Hiring, Gross Margin, and Productivity, how to scale your business to millions of users, open more offices, and focus on the important work, plus lessons on motivation from Michael Jordan. This episode covers everything from taking the bus to working ON the business. Here&#8217;s a small sample of what you will hear in this episode:</p>



<ul><li>What&#8217;s the most common misconception people have about Computer Science</li><li>How does it feel to have 20 million customers</li><li>Philoso-pee?</li><li>Where did Aytekin&#8217;s Rule on Hiring come from</li><li>What did Jotform look like in the early days</li><li>Congrats &amp; a voice crack</li><li>The Automation Flywheel</li><li>What&#8217;s a rule Aytekin has outside of work</li></ul>



<p>Connect with Aytekin at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jotform.com/" target="_blank">Jotform.com</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://aytekintank.com/" target="_blank">AytekinTank.com</a>, and check out his <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://aytekintank.com/books/automate-your-busywork/" target="_blank">book</a>.</p>



<h2 id="full-transcript"></h2>



<p>Enjoy the shoooooow! Check out the show notes below for much more detail. You can also find the full transcript <a href="https://maxpodcasting.com/aytekin-tank-transcript/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>.</p>



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<h2 id="show-notes"><strong>Show Notes</strong></h2>



<ul><li><strong>Intro &amp; Computer Science</strong><ul><li>[0:28] Email me at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="mailto:ma&#120;&#64;hip&#112;odi&#114;&#101;&#99;&#116;.c&#111;m" target="_blank">&#109;&#97;x&#64;&#109;&#97;xp&#111;dca&#115;t&#105;&#110;&#103;.c&#111;&#109;</a> to save time with your high-quality podcast and use it as a business-building tool</li><li>[0:38] Connect with Aytekin at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jotform.com/" target="_blank">Jotform.com</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://aytekintank.com/" target="_blank">AytekinTank.com</a>, and check out his <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://aytekintank.com/books/automate-your-busywork/" target="_blank">book</a></li></ul><ul><li>[2:21] We&#8217;re even</li><li>[2:35] Cool</li><li>[2:56] What&#8217;s the most common misconception people have about <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.bridgeport.edu/academics/programs/computer-science-ms/" target="_blank">Computer Science</a> (CompSci)</li><li>[3:54] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://opensource.org/" target="_blank">Open-Source</a></li><li>[4:32] Kelley <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://kelley.iu.edu/faculty-research/departments/marketing/index.html" target="_blank">Marketing</a> &amp; <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://kelley.iu.edu/programs/undergrad/academics/majors-minors-certificates/entrepreneurship-corporate-innovation-curriculum.html" target="_blank">Entrepreneurship</a></li><li>[5:11] How did Aytekin become interested in computers</li><li>[6:51] What feeling did he have the first time he used a computer</li><li>[7:41] <a href="https://code.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Code</a></li></ul></li></ul>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" src="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Aytekin-Tank-1024x538.png" alt="Aytekin Tank Jotform Automate Your Busywork" class="wp-image-8509" width="688" height="361" srcset="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Aytekin-Tank-1024x538.png 1024w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Aytekin-Tank-400x210.png 400w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Aytekin-Tank-768x403.png 768w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Aytekin-Tank-500x263.png 500w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Aytekin-Tank-400x210@2x.png 800w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Aytekin-Tank.png 1200w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SquadShot-Aytekin-Tank-500x263@2x.png 1000w" sizes="(max-width: 688px) 100vw, 688px" /><figcaption>Mr. Tank!</figcaption></figure></div>



<ul><li><strong>The Jotform Story</strong><ul><li>[8:28] How does it feel to have 20 million customers</li><li>[8:56] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.statista.com/companies/ranking/6/top-100-media-companies" target="_blank">Media Company</a></li><li>[11:55] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bootstrapping.asp" target="_blank">Bootstrapped</a></li></ul><ul><li>[14:04] Philoso-pee?</li><li>[14:17] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.salary.com/" target="_blank">Salary</a></li><li>[14:44] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/122214/what-difference-between-revenue-and-income.asp" target="_blank">Revenue</a></li><li>[14:47] Where did Aytekin&#8217;s Rule on Hiring come from</li><li>[15:01] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.wikihow.com/Play-Poker" target="_blank">Poker</a></li><li>[15:25] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/grossmargin.asp" target="_blank">Gross Margin</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/accounting/accrual-accounting-guide/" target="_blank">Accrual Accounting</a></li><li>[16:02] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/management/hiring-freeze/" target="_blank">Hiring Freeze</a></li><li>[17:20] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.asid.org/" target="_blank">Interior Designers</a></li><li>[18:00] How has Aytekin&#8217;s approach as <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/ceo.asp" target="_blank">CEO</a> (Chief Executive Officer) changed since opening more offices</li><li>[18:21] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.indeed.com/q-remote-jobs.html" target="_blank">Remote Work</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.flexjobs.com/blog/post/benefits-of-remote-work/" target="_blank">Working From Home</a> (WFH)</li><li>[19:01] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.bondcollective.com/blog/open-office-plan" target="_blank">Open Office Floor Plan</a></li><li>[21:17] Yum</li><li>[21:44] What did <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jotform.com/" target="_blank">Jotform</a> look like in the early days</li><li>[22:50] &#8220;<a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/07/21/good-software-takes-ten-years-get-used-to-it/" target="_blank">Good Software Takes Ten Years. Get Used To it.</a>&#8221; by Joel Spolsky</li><li>[24:31] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jotform.com/answers/" target="_blank">Jotform Support</a></li><li>[25:08] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jotform.com/myforms/" target="_blank">Jotform Form Builder</a></li><li>[25:37] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.hippodirect.com/best-lists-by-market-segment" target="_blank">Email</a></li><li>[25:57] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jotform.com/products/approvals/" target="_blank">Jotform Approvals</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jotform.com/products/pdf-editor/" target="_blank">Jotform PDF Editor</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jotform.com/products/sign/" target="_blank">Jotform Sign</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jotform.com/products/apps/" target="_blank">Jotform Apps</a></li><li>[26:58] Liz Giorgi – <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/liz-giorgi/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> #276</a>: Virtual Product Photography, Co-Founder of <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://soona.co/" target="_blank">soona</a></li><li>[27:29] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/accounting/revenue-streams/" target="_blank">Revenue Streams</a></li><li>[28:02] How do you scale to millions of users or millions of customers</li><li>[28:45] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://aytekintank.com/interviews/" target="_blank">50/50 Rule</a></li><li>[29:54] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.productplan.com/glossary/minimum-viable-product/" target="_blank">MVP</a> (Minimum Viable Product)</li><li>[33:53] Come to CEX (Content Entrepreneur Expo) May 5-7, 2024 in Cleveland, OH! Save $100 off the in-person ticket price by registering at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://cex.events/" target="_blank">CEX.Events</a> and using the coupon code: MAX100</li></ul><ul><li>[33:55] The <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> is on YouTube! <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Subscribe @MaxBranstetter</a> to watch full video interviews with Wild entrepreneurs like Aytekin</li></ul><ul><li>[34:56] Sign up for the <em>Podcasting to the Max</em> newsletter at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/newsletter/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/Newsletter</a> and receive <em>How to Edit Your Podcast in Audacity</em>. It&#8217;s where podcasting meets entrepreneurship &#8211; and terrible puns</li></ul><ul><li>[34:58] Such an honor speaking at Podcast Movement &#8217;23 in Denver! Sign up to grab the slides from my session at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/PM23/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/PM23</a></li></ul></li><li><strong><em>Automate Your Busywork</em></strong><ul><li>[35:21] <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://aytekintank.com/books/automate-your-busywork/" target="_blank">Automate Your Busywork</a></em> by Aytekin Tank</li><li>[35:30] What is Aytekin&#8217;s philosophy on productivity</li><li>[35:57] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/accounting.asp" target="_blank">Accounting</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/humanresources.asp" target="_blank">HR</a> (Human Resources)</li><li>[36:30] Google Forms</li><li>[36:39] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath" target="_blank">David &amp; Goliath</a></li><li>[37:52] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://blog.superhuman.com/inbox-zero-method/" target="_blank">Inbox Zero</a></li><li>[38:01] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.upwork.com/" target="_blank">Upwork</a></li><li>[39:15] Congrats &amp; a voice crack</li><li>[39:39] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.getclockwise.com/blog/time-audits" target="_blank">Time Audit</a></li><li>[41:52] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/568877-i-choose-a-lazy-person-to-do-a-hard-job" target="_blank">Bill Gates Lazy Quote</a></li><li>[43:15] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jotform.com/blog/how-the-automation-flywheel-can-help-you-achieve-greater-peace-and-productivity-at-work/" target="_blank">Automation Flywheel</a></li><li>[44:04] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://calendly.com/" target="_blank">Calendly</a></li><li>[45:01] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.kpi.org/kpi-basics/" target="_blank">KPIs</a> (Key Performance Indicators)</li><li>[45:23] MAX</li></ul></li></ul>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large is-resized"><img loading="lazy" src="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Aytekin-Tank-Automate-Your-Busywork-1024x576.jpg" alt="Aytekin Tank Automate Your Busywork" class="wp-image-8511" width="651" height="365" srcset="https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Aytekin-Tank-Automate-Your-Busywork-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Aytekin-Tank-Automate-Your-Busywork-400x225.jpg 400w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Aytekin-Tank-Automate-Your-Busywork-768x432.jpg 768w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Aytekin-Tank-Automate-Your-Busywork-500x281.jpg 500w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Aytekin-Tank-Automate-Your-Busywork-400x225@2x.jpg 800w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Aytekin-Tank-Automate-Your-Busywork.jpg 1200w, https://maxpodcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Aytekin-Tank-Automate-Your-Busywork-500x281@2x.jpg 1000w" sizes="(max-width: 651px) 100vw, 651px" /><figcaption><em><a href="https://aytekintank.com/books/automate-your-busywork/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Automate Your Busywork</a></em> by Aytekin Tank</figcaption></figure></div>



<ul><li><strong>Rapid-Fire Q&amp;A</strong><ul><li>[46:19] Connecti-kittens</li><li>[46:28] Shoutout, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://x.com/AlexMyers3/status/534372430547275776?s=20" target="_blank">StamVegas</a>!</li><li>[46:39] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.bridgeport.edu/" target="_blank">University of Bridgeport</a></li><li>[46:45] What&#8217;s the best and worst part of living in Connecticut</li><li>[47:55] Shoutout, Spense!</li><li>[48:21] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://new.mta.info/agency/metro-north-railroad" target="_blank">Metro-North Railroad</a> (MNR)</li><li>[48:45] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/place/Istanbul" target="_blank">Istanbul</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/place/Roman-Empire" target="_blank">Roman Empire</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/place/Ottoman-Empire" target="_blank">Ottoman Empire</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/place/Bosporus" target="_blank">Bosporus</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.britannica.com/place/Aegean-Sea" target="_blank">Aegean Sea</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/world-heritage/article/cappadocia" target="_blank">Cappadocia</a></li><li>[49:51] What&#8217;s a Weird Talent Aytekin has</li><li>[51:18] <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/michael-jordan" target="_blank">Michael Jordan</a>, <em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.netflix.com/title/80203144" target="_blank">The Last Dance</a></em></li><li>[52:40] What&#8217;s a rule Aytekin has outside of work</li><li>[53:58] Connect with Aytekin at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.jotform.com/" target="_blank">Jotform.com</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://aytekintank.com/" target="_blank">AytekinTank.com</a>, and check out his <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://aytekintank.com/books/automate-your-busywork/" target="_blank">book</a></li></ul><ul><li>[54:53] What are Aytekin&#8217;s Final Thoughts</li></ul><ul><li>[55:40] Follow the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/wild-business-growth-podcast/" target="_blank"><em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em></a> and tell a friend about the podcast. And show love (or roast me) by leaving 5 stars on Apple Podcasts and/or Spotify</li></ul><ul><li>[55:45] Come to CEX (Content Entrepreneur Expo) May 5-7, 2024 in Cleveland, OH! Save $100 off the in-person ticket price by registering at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://cex.events/" target="_blank">CEX.Events</a> and using the coupon code: MAX100</li></ul><ul><li>[55:48] Check out the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast </em>on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.goodpods.com/" target="_blank">Goodpods</a>, where you can see what your favorite people are listening to</li><li>[55:50] The <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> is on YouTube! <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.youtube.com/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Subscribe @MaxBranstetter</a> to watch full video interviews with Wild entrepreneurs like Aytekin</li><li>[55:59] Connect with me on <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-branstetter-74150a57/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.instagram.com/maxbranstetter/" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://twitter.com/maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Twitter</a> (aka <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://twitter.com/maxbranstetter" target="_blank">X</a>), and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.threads.net/@maxbranstetter" target="_blank">Threads</a> @MaxBranstetter and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.tiktok.com/@wildbusinessgrowth" target="_blank">TikTok</a> @WildBusinessGrowth</li><li>[56:05] Save time with your high-quality podcast. Email me at <a href="mailto:ma&#120;&#64;m&#97;&#120;&#112;o&#100;ca&#115;ti&#110;&#103;&#46;&#99;&#111;&#109;">m&#97;x&#64;&#109;a&#120;p&#111;d&#99;&#97;st&#105;&#110;&#103;&#46;&#99;&#111;m</a> to bring your podcast to life and use it as a business-building tool</li><li>[56:19] Sign up for the <em>Podcasting to the Max</em> newsletter at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/newsletter/" target="_blank">MaxPodcasting.com/Newsletter</a> and receive <em>How to Edit Your Podcast in Audacity</em>. It&#8217;s where podcasting meets entrepreneurship &#8211; and terrible puns</li><li>Theme music: Freestyle Percussion Magik &#8211; &#8220;Jungle Tribe&#8221; &#8211; provided by Jamendo</li></ul></li></ul>



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<h2 id="podcast-summary"><strong>What is the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em>?</strong></h2>



<p>Wild ideas. Wild growth. Every Wednesday morning a new entrepreneur joins the <em>Wild Business Growth Podcast</em> to share the wildly creative and unusual ways they grew their business &#8211; and teaches you how to do it, too. Hear the minds behind WordPress, Stacy&#8217;s Pita Chips, Drybar, NFL RedZone, Big Mouth Billy Bass, the voice of Bart Simpson, and more Wild stories. Hosted by <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://maxpodcasting.com/about/" target="_blank">Max Branstetter</a> (that&#8217;s me), Founder and Podcast Producer at MaxPodcasting.</p>



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